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May 06, 2007



I really don't understand the critical panning. Leave the social allegory to X-Men; leave the brooding to Batman; but let Spidey be fun. (Note that I also adored the two X-Men movies [sad that they never made a third] and Batman Begins; I just don't need all of my comic adaptations to have the exact same approach.)

I think that what it did could have been managed without Venom, but really, I think they did manage to juggle the multiple villains well without getting bogged down (even at 2.5 hours).

I've also seen people complaining a lot about the strut and dance sequences...but I took them to be meant about as seriously as the "Raindrops" sequence in the second movie. Plus, they showed that even when Peter's infected by evil alien goo, he's still a dork. Heh.

And I love Bruce Campbell. SO MUCH.

Gil Hoffman

This is a beautifully written review but I respectfully disagree. I found the movie very disturbing at times. One reason is that Spiderman was not just flawed, he was very, very flawed. I wish a superhero could just be a guy who is all good for once. We have enough people in the world who are flawed without claiming to be super.

Another thing I found disturbing was how the movie was so disconnected from reality. I could accept there being a man who is made out of sand and can never die and another man with spikes in his chest being able to live long enough to have a deep goodbye chat with his buddies. But Peter Parker being such a jerk that he would hit MJ - that just wouldn't happen.

Many people who used to identify with Peter Parker will never be able to ever again after that. I hope Spiderman 4 will be better.


"I wish a superhero could just be a guy who is all good for once."

Superman! But only one of those is enough.

"But Peter Parker being such a jerk that he would hit MJ - that just wouldn't happen."

Is a person responsible for his or her actions while drunk, drugged, or under the influence of a gooey alien? Yes. But neither is it the case that Peter just hauled off and hit her on his own.



For me Spiderman has an emotional component as well as being fun...but yeah, it's definitely also fun. I can understand the panning, though, because Spiderman 2 was so great that it would have been hard for anything else to measure up.

I thought pretty much ALL the movie except the really intense moments were tongue-in-cheek--that's one of the things I've enjoyed about the movies until now.


It's true that it is hard to see Peter the same way after the way he acted. On the other hand, the way I tend to look at this kind of story is as an opportunity for metaphorical self-exploration--even if it's in a pop culture sort of way. But I agree with you that there should be consequences for Peter's actions if there is a Spiderman 4.


I finally got around to seeing the film and was thrilled actually. For all of its flaws, it does much better in the sequal department than most series do. They did try to pack quite a bit into it, but I thought they handled it fairly well. At least every character had some development rather than it just seeming like "hello, my name is ___, let me show you my special effect superpower. Oops, that's all the screen time for me" (yes X-Men 3, I'm looking at you).

Plus, despite the number of villains, they did a good job tying them together into the main theme. Each character, including Spiderman, has to deal with bad choices, anger, and falling too far, and we get to see each come to a different resolution depending on their choices.

I'm also glad the Spiderman movies don't turn dark like so many. It's refreshing to have fun, even quirky films, that still manage to have serious themes.

A couple last comments:

-Bruce Campbell makes everything better.
-I also liked the "evil Peter strutting", and that for once turning bad doesn't automatically make you suave and cool.
-Very much liked the ending, and how they get back together in such a way that indicates (to me at least) they'll work things out but a lot of bad stuff has happened which can't just be forgotten or fixed overnight. The movie ending on a emotional hug rather than the stereotypical kiss really worked IMO.


"Raimi often focuses on the moment after, the less dramatic but intensely real aftermath."

Kudos noticing (and noting) that - you ALMOST make me want to go see this...rather than just taunting my eldest that we were going without him.

Some movies I do like to see twice - once just to enjoy/take it in, and a second time to REALLY note the director's hand. Of course it's usually only those movies where their artistic effort is glimpsed in the first place.

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